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Stoughton Community Centre Design

 

 

External design and location ~ the developers and GBC planning department have complete control of this.  

 

Internal layout and amenities ~ the developers and GBC building regulations & control dept have complete control of this.

 

The developers are no longer listening to SCCP.

 

The internal layout, and consequently the external design, is of extreme importance to SCCP, as it governs what type of facilities we will be able to offer.  If we could have slightly more space, there would be more flexibility; but we know from experience that it is possible to fit all we need into 390sqm, provided the internal design is organised sensibly.  The position of windows, toilets, kitchen, plumbing, electrics and lift all determine the position of internal walls and storage.

 

Without the full support of residents and council, the developers will not listen to us, and we may end up with a facility that is not as good as it could be, or at worst a 'pigs ear'.  However, we continue striving to make the best of whatever the developers give us, so that it complies with our design brief

 

As of February 2007, details of the internal layout are unknown because the developers have decided to revert to plans approved in 2002 for a 627sqm 3-storey building.  The external layout was approved in November 2002 but we know some changes have been made for example at the time of approval the police asked for removal of the awning.   The developers are also allowed to do what they want with the interior provided it meets with the building regulations.

 

Plans for the mixed use building from 02/P/01632 November 2002

 

627sqm Mixed Use Building in the QE Park 'town square'

Originally intended as a Doctor's Surgery if the developers were able to find an occupier

 

Sketch View of the Town Square (02/P/01632)

 

QE Park Commercial - Site Layout

 

 

Design Saga

The developers and GBC Planning Department have complete control of the external design and location of the building.   SCCP only has some influence on the internal layout of the community  facility, so that it can ensure that all the community requirements fit within the limited space to comply with the design brief

April 2008   GBC Building Control Dept stop the building because of incomplete plans.

March 2008

Stoughton Community Centre Needs Assessment Report (Final)

The needs assessment report says there is a need for a new community  facility in Stoughton:

SCCP's Response to GBC re Needs Assessment Report

January 2008   GBC Building Control Dept stop the building because of incomplete plans.
October 2007   GBC commissions independent consultants to perform a 'needs assessment' in response to QEPRA assertions that there is no need for more community facilities.
July 2007  

The developers started building ... something ... not sure what?

Is it building approved in 2002?

February 2007  02/P/01632 Surgery Sketch

QE Park Commercial Area

The developers tell us they no longer wish to use the plans approved in April 2006 for 'legal reasons' and wish to revert to plans for a smaller 627sqm 3-storey building approved in 2002 as part of the commercial area 02/P/01632 originally intended as a mixed use building, then a doctors surgery and now a combined offices with community facility on top!

Whilst waiting, we learned that the lottery fund for community centres has closed, so now we are looking for alternative sources of funding.

April 2006  

Application 05/P/02467 was approved.  Waiting for the developers and council to finish negotiating the S106 .... deep sigh.  GBC Officers Report Council conditions are here.   

 

Whilst waiting, we learned we had lost our grant for PV panels because it had run out of time.

March 2006  

Application 05/P/02467 has been amended as requested by GBC; now without canopies and a slightly modified internal layout.

SCCP's response to 05/P/02467 (08-Jan-06)

December 2005 December 2005 Design Statement (6MB) Application withdrawn and replaced by a new application 05/P/02467.  Now with offices instead of flats, and includes an external play area (as requested by SCCP).  Has flat roofs - which are not good for PV panels.
August 2005 August 2005 Changes (1MB)

Application 05/P/00192 is slightly modified, with revised roof design and entrance doors further apart. 14 parking spaces have been 'allocated'.  Updated site plan. 

The developers eventually submitted the 'sound/noise report' that GBC Planning Dept. had asked for.

April 2005 ? Revisions have been prepared by the developers, but what is happening?  GBC are waiting for a 'sound/noise report'.
January 5th  2005

Developers Proposal (1MB) - drawings;

 

SCC Site Plan Dec 2004 (out of date and inaccurate)

Application 05/P/00192: Combined community centre 391sqm, management office 20sqm and 6 apartments approx. 70sqm each.   Now situated in place of the mixed use building in the QE Park 'town square'.

 

SCCP Response to GBC Planning Dept. (13th Feb '05)

December 23rd 2004   The developers submit their application for the combined community centre and 6 apartments, but GBC refuse to register it until a design statement is submitted.  A revised floorplan is submitted including a 'management office' and reducing the actual community space to from 411sqm to 391sqm. Detailed applications have not been submitted for either of the play areas shown on the village green in the outline plan.
December 9th 2004 Developers Proposal (1MB) - sketches QEP developers gave SCCP seven days to comment on new draft plans for a combined community centre and six apartments in place of the originally planned mixed use building in the 'town square' next to Budgens food store.

SCCP met with JTP architect to review possibilities for what was considered an impractical layout and sent a preliminary response to the developers and GBC, which was ignored.

November 11th 2004   Trinity Estates, management company for QEP, carry out poll to decide the location of the community centre and bus routes.
September 6th 2004   SCA's letter to QEP Residents
June 28th 2004  

SCCP and QEP residents meet for a Q&A session at Stoughton Youth & Community Centre.

Developers put 'village green' plans on hold following objections from QE Park residents about building on green space.

June 6th 2004   Letter from SCCP to QEP Residents
April 26th 2004 Developer's Planning Application (2MB)

Final 'Village Green' Plans.  Application 04/P/00990

April 25th 2004  

SCCP help organise a community open afternoon at which SCCP learns:

 - many QEP residents are unaware of plans for a community  facility in QEP.

 - some thought it was only 150sqm instead of 390sqm

 - many didn't know the developers wanted to put it on the Village Green;

 - some thought it was only for QEP and not the whole of Stoughton.

Understandably there was a great deal of concern, and so SCCP start planning to hold a public meeting (28th June)

February 2004 390sqm design #3

Following a meeting with architects JTP* and Laing Homes using SCCP's updated design brief.

January 2004 Linden Homes 390sqm floorplans #2

After a meeting in November 2003 with DEPS* and developers at GBC* Millmead.

November 2003   SCA/SCCP is constituted.
October 2003 SCCP's floorplan ideas

An attempt by SCCP to find out if the design brief would fit into an external 390sqm footprint.

September 2003 Linden Homes 390sqm Design #1

After Linden Homes realised the May design was too big and too expensive.

Also, around this time the developers discovered that because of sewers running alongside Railton Road, they could not put the Community building on the corner of the 'village green' with a link to the 'town square' and insisted it was moved to the middle of the green.  Further investigation by SCCP also found that Linden Homes had built 'Phase 1' housing 14m further into the 'village green' than shown on the outline plan.  This meant the developers were very constrained about where to position the building alongside the 'equipped play area' and 'all weather sports arena'.  Site Plan with Drains, Oct 2003

The developers were also reviewing the proposed constitution for SCA.

May 2003 JTP floorplans

Good layout at last!  But nobody realised it was 488sqm external instead of 390sqm!

April 2003 JTP floorplans Sketch

Improving on SCCP's idea to comply with the design brief.

March 2003 Developer's Newsletter No.5  Showing the site layout approved by GBC in November 2002, and an artists impression of the 'town square' including the 'food store' and 'mixed use' building.
January 2003 STAG/SCCP's floorplan ideas

Just an idea to see if the design brief could fit into the Oct/Nov footprint.

November 2002 S106 Amendment 29 Nov 02 (1MB) GBC planning committee approve the detailed plan for the QE Park Commercial Area (02/P/01632).  Including a 627sqm 'mixed use' building intended as a dedicated doctors surgery and a promise for a community building of between 370 and 390sqm (external) on the 'village green'.
October 2002 JTP Floorplans & JTP Elevations

Developers provide plans for a larger community  facility and seek STAG's support for the commercial area.   The  building is 382sqm internal, 448sqm external - used as basis for the S106 amendment Nov'02  (S106) on the corner of the 'village green' opposite Budgens.

September 2002   QE Park commercial area plans were updated to provide a 600sqm 2 storey 'mixed use' building as a doctors surgery and restaurant.  No specific location for a 150sqm community meeting hall.  Where is the hall?
July 2002   Developers submit first version of detailed plans for the QE Park Commercial Area (02/P/01632).  Including a promise that 150sqm of the 'mixed use' building could be for community use, and the remainder as a doctors surgery.
May 2002 Minutes & Draft occupancy plan

SCCP Committee elected by 120 attending a public meeting at Northmead School, with a mandate to establish a community facility.  150sqm is not large enough to support the needs of the community. 

February 2002   QE Park residential building starts - Phases 1 & 2.
December 2001 Draft S106 Outline planning permission granted for 01/P/0881 and 01/P/0882.
August 2001   Plans revised to provide a 1,720sqm doctors surgery and no specific location for a 150sqm community meeting hall space.  In the series of public meetings, the developers also said there would be a restaurant, but this disappeared from the plans shortly before they were approved.
May 2001   Outline plans submitted for "525 dwellings, employment, nursing home, community facilities, retail, health and fitness centre, open space and associated roads." (01/P/0881 and 01/P/0882).  Including a 600sqm  'L' shaped 2/3 storey building as a doctors surgery and community meeting hall space.
August 1999   STAG Committee formed.  See STAG home page.
January 1999 QEPB Development Brief (Draft January 1999) - Main Doc

QEPB Development Brief (Draft January 1999) - Appendices

GBC issue development planning brief, and organise public consultation meetings.

Talk about 1,000 houses, 700 houses....

 

* GBC: Guildford Borough Council;  DEPS: Department of Environmental Planning Services (since 2005 called GBC Planning Dept);  Developers: Laing Homes and Linden Homes consortium;  JTP: John Thompson & Partners Architects for Laing Homes

 

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Page last updated: 26-May-08