This question has been central to the life and concerns of humanity since the earliest days. Perhaps it was at first taken for granted that God or "the gods" existed. How else could primitive men and women explain the wonders and horrors of life and the world in which it was played out? Over time the question has become more contentious as many have come to believe that belief itself is at least misguided and delusional and at most pathological. Before considering the arguments in favour of "the existence of God" (not all of which I approve of or agree with!) I shall review some of the arguments against belief in God, and before that I shall address the prime issue "What is God?"
Some believers are happy to attribute to God dependencies upon the Cosmos that make the "divinity" nothing more than the most elevated of all things: not absolutely distinct from everything else, but only the greatest thing of all. This is normally done on the basis of portraying God as compassionate, loving and caring: all of which I believe God to be, in a fundamentally important but not simple sense. The ultimate version of this doctrine is "patripassionism", the notion that God the Father suffered in the crucifixion of Jesus; something that was unequivocally condemned by the Early Fathers of the Church. Such a "divinity" is simply not divine. At best it is the "demi-urge" of Gnosticism, an instrument that God might use to do the dirty work of creation. There are echoes here of Arianism, the doctrine that the Christ was not God, but only "divine" in the sense of (very) god-like. There are understandable motives for such a view of God, as I shall describe in my brief treatment of the "Problem of Pain", but these do not excuse the simple metaphysical mistake. If God is not absolutely independent of the Cosmos, utterly other and sovereign then God isn't God and we are talking incoherent nonsense.
Of course, the fact that some people entertain the notion that "God is" from personal inadequacy does not mean that "God is not." The fact that many people find such an inadequacy within themselves is rather some sort of an argument for God's being: but not a very good one, I think.
I find this highly plausible, except for the fact that there are many people who profess to be agnostic or atheist, have no notion that their lives have any lasting or objective significance and yet seem to maintain their sanity well enough. I'm not sure that I could do this, if I became unconvinced of God's being: after forty years of theism! However the fact that they can and do invalidates this argument, it seems to me. In any case, I would argue that belief in God doesn't really answer this purpose. The futility of final extinction is no more mitigated by the fact that "God is" than by the fact that friends and family may survive one's death - for a while. The horror of the termination of my particularity of personhood can only be mitigated by a belief in some kind of continuity of life, experience and activity after death!
Of course, this has most definitely not been a core feature of all religions. While the Egyptians had a sophisticated doctrine of the immortality of the soul, the Hebrews got by very well for over a millennium with no belief in any kind of worth-while after-life. Even in Jesus' day, the elite Sadducees rejected the novel doctrine of the populist Pharisee party in this regard [Mat 22:23]. For the Sadducees it was good enough to be faithful to God, that was its own reward [Psalms 1 & 118]. It was enough to do what was right, because it was right, and to expect no reward or recompense except - hopefully - some tranquility and prosperity in this short life [Job 1:8-11, 42:10].
Moreover, I suppose that there is a core element of truth in it. If God was not, then perhaps we would invent God. However, this analysis tells us nothing whatever about whether God is or is not: only about what our response might be if God was not! In any case St. Paul admits the relationship between parenthood and God when he says "....I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named" [Eph 3:14,15].
Finally, I want to say that problems an individual has with their own parents tend to have a detrimental affect on their attitude towards God, especially when God is presented to them as a Father (or Mother!) that they cannot choose and did not choose them as persons, rather than as a Friend, who they can choose and has chosen them knowing exactly who and what they are.
I am quite sure that this process takes place. I think it is manifest in some of the most extreme forms of fundamentalist religion such as Calvinist Christianity or Conservative Catholicism.
Theologies majoring in "guilt" and "threats of damnation", certainly have the required characteristics: but this theory hardly explains the undoubted success of more gentle religions like Shikism, Buddhism (where there is no real basis for a concern for the "salvation" of anyone else other than oneself, and no tradition of missionary zeal) or Judaism (where no strategy to spread beyond the national boundary of the Jewish people has ever taken off, other than in the more aggressive "Jewish heresies" of Christianity and Islam.)
I suspect that it is a dim awareness of the second possibility (of mental parasitism) that makes many people wary of "The God Squad". Some forms of religion certainly match up well with the model of a contagious "social disease". The evangelical preoccupation with proselytism conforms closely to this paradigm.
Of course, Christianity claims to be "good news": to have a message that gives the clue to the living of a fulfilling life. The simple pleasure and satisfaction of seeing others discover the same truth and delight that oneself has benefited from is a coherent motive for "passing it on". A shared joy is a joy multiplied. A problem that I agonize with is how much I do or don't wish various close non-Catholic friends to become Catholics. As a faithful Catholic, I believe that it is objectively right for them to do so. As a realistic person I fear that it may be subjectively harmful for them to do so. In the present state of the Church, they are liable to receive only emotional hurt and intellectual misdirection; and to suffer greatly for no clear purpose. I cannot wish that fate on anyone.
The problem is familiar to any but the most callous and hard-hearted soul. It is this: "How can a God that is supposed to be both good and omnipotent tolerate evil, death, sickness, suffering, injustice and pain? Either God mustn't care about such matters: in which case God isn't good; or God is unable to do anything: in which case God isn't omnipotent."
It is possible to avoid this difficulty by taking one of the two gambits offered. Now, it may be possible to make some sort of a case for either a good but impotent God, or for an omnipotent but disinterested God: but I have no interest in doing so. This paper is not an attempt to score debating points, but rather to make an attempt on the truth. My intuition, fostered by the Judaeo-Christian Tradition, is that God is both good and omnipotent. I wish to explore how this can be, given our undoubted experience of sorrow and sickness and death.
"One attempt by theologians to answer the question is to claim that evil is just a means to an ultimate end, which is always good. An example is given where a doctor amputates a patient's leg, an 'evil', in order to prevent gangrene from spreading throughout the patient's body, 'the ultimate end', which is 'good'. Yet this example is only justified on the basis that the doctor has limited powers. With the limitations of medical technology at his disposal, he of course chose the lesser evil; since there was no way of saving both the patient's leg and his life. However, this analogy cannot be applied to God and the problem of evil, since God, unlike the doctor, has unlimited powers. In fact, a more accurate analogy is a doctor who first actively infects the leg of his patient (God is the cause of all things), and then decide to amputate his leg when a less severe cure was available (God is all powerful). We would call such a doctor wicked and mad. Why do we call such a God good?"This type of argument is pretty clearly specious, except that sometimes God's theoretically unlimited powers are practically limited by a requirement for God not to "force Himself on us".
[A MySpace Friend (June 17, 2008)]
"Another argument brought forward by theologians is that evil is a natural consequence of God allowing man free-will. This argument may be allowed to explain some moral evil caused by man such as theft, murder and rape. But how does giving man free-will relate to physical evils such as earthquakes, famines, plagues and floods? Thus, the free-will explanation cannot explain the existence of natural calamities that befall man. In fact, the free will explanation cannot even satisfactorily explain moral evil. If God is all powerful, he could have created all man with free will and with a predisposition towards doing good. But according to the same theologians, man is sinful by nature, with a predisposition for doing bad. God's action in giving man free-will and at the same time giving him a predisposition towards doing bad is no different morally from a man who drinks, on purpose, in front of a recently reformed alcoholic! If we describe such a man as irresponsible and immoral, why do we persist in calling such a God good?This is a mis-representation of the argument. I shall take this argument up myself later. For the moment I shall make a few comments on this biased presentation.The abstraction 'man' used above is also misleading. All of mankind have free-will; some, a small minority, some men-and women-, chose evil and rob, kill, cheat and maim. Are the more numerous victims to be consoled by saying that this is a consequence of their (the victims) having free will? In other words, are the innocent victims somehow responsible for the crimes on themselves because they have free will? The right to be protected from crimes is basic for all citizens in the world; any government that fails to deliver a reasonable amount of protection from these would be condemned and duly removed from power. Yet somehow it is okay for the all powerful God to give men free will and allow them to suffer the consequences from the minority who misuse it. To say that all will be rectified in the afterlife where the good will be rewarded in heaven and the bad will be punished in hell does not resolve the issue. No appeal to an afterlife can actually eradicate the problem of evil. An injustice always remains an injustice, regardless of any subsequent effort to comfort the victim. If a father, after beating his child unmercifully, later gives him a lollipop as compensation, this does not eradicate the original act or its evil nature. Nor would we praise the father as just and loving. Yet, this is exactly what the Christians claims their God to do. He allows the faithful to suffer (remember Job!) and later rewards them. This God cannot, by any moral yardstick, be called good." [A MySpace Friend (June 17, 2008)]
According to Catholic (as opposed to Protestant) theology, the "predisposition towards evil" that is called "concupiscence" and which results from "original sin" is not something that God placed in the nature of mankind. It is the state of affairs of any finite contingent moral agent. It is nothing more than an expression of the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which states that any system - left to itself - will tend to become disordered.
"this evil influence .... comes from a source .... innate in mankind as a result of crimes of long ago that remain unexpiated .... you should take precautions against it .... seek the rites that free a man from guilt .... seek the company of men who [are] virtuous .... run from the company of the wicked .... if by doing so, you find that your disease abates somewhat, well and good; if not then you should look on death as the preferable alternative." [Plato "Laws IX" (854b)]The human body continually fights this tendancy with hugely elaborate repair mechanisms, but nothing is perfect and eventually the accumulation of "bodged repairs" results in death. This is a physical analogy of what happens to a moral agent. Even a perfectly just finite moral agent would eventually become corrupt, as a result of the basic instability inherrent in perfection. Sadly, there are very many more ways of being wicked than of being virtuous.
"The good is susceptible to becoming bad... but the bad is not susceptible to becoming; it must always be.. It is impossible to be a good man and continue to be good, but possible for one and the same person to become good and also bad; and those are best for the longest time whom the god's love." [Plato "Protagoras" (344d-345c)]Hence, the first paragraph of critique of this argument fails.
The second paragraph fails because it strives to distinguish two populations - the "pretty good folk" who deserve to be protected from the "wicked folk". In fact, no such destinction is possible. The actual spectrum of wickedness is continuous. Even the kindest and gentlest person has a dark side and even the greatest sinner has some positive features. Moreover, if God were to regularly and effectively protect the "better folks" from the "worse folks" this would become obvious very rapidly and I take it as axiomatic that God's purposes in creating the Cosmos - whatever they are - require that God remains largely hidden and out-of-sight.
Some suffering and pain is self-inflicted, and is not God's responsibility. For God to prevent this pain would involve Him substantially interfering with human Free-Will. A loving but omnipotent God has to accept such suffering in His Cosmos and respond to it as an independent agent: that is by miraculous intervention, as God judges to be appropriate. The only alternative would have been to refrain from creating at all.
"One theistic attempt to explain physical evil is that its existence helps to increase the 'moral urgency' in the world. This 'moral urgency' will bring out the heroic, the virtuous and the good in people. Thus the theist W.D. Niven in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics argues:My responses to the three objections to this argument are:'Physical evil has been the goad which has impelled men to most of the achievements which made the history of man so wonderful. Hardship is a stern but fecund parent of invention. Where life is easy because physicals ills are at a minimum we find man degenerating in body, mind and character...Which is preferable-a grim fight with the possibility of splendid triumph; or no battle at all?'Thus, according to this argument, war brings out the heroic in men, and earthquakes, famines and plagues brings out the virtuous in those people who fought to odds to bring relief to the victims. It is also implicit in this argument that the total evil of these calamities is outweighed by the occurrence of good and virtue brought about by their occurrence. There are three main defects to this argument for the existence of physical evil; which together shows the argument to be untenable.
- Isn't it better to eradicate forever the occurrence of physical evils-such as famine and plagues-than to simply treat the victims when they occur? It is clear to everyone that the former is more desirable. But if that is the case, this would mean that eliminating physical evils would make the world a better, not a worse, place. Accepting that the presence of physical evil makes the world a better place would mean that the elimination of smallpox, the discovery of the polio vaccine and the discovery of the antibiotic are three of the most disastrous events to have happened this century! This is, obviously, an absurd proposition. Therefore the idea that physical evil generates more good is immediately put into question.
- The action that results from physical evils are not always due to morally praiseworthy reasons. Thus the formulation of a drug to cure a certain pestilence may be due purely to the profit motive of a pharmaceutical company and has nothing to do with any heroic struggles to do good.
- Some physical evil simply cannot be squared away with promoting virtuous actions. The resent outbreak of the ebola virus in Africa is a case to point. The disease kills within a couple of weeks and no cure is possible. What possible good could have resulted from that? Earthquakes volcanic eruptions, floods have been known to kill thousands people instantly, leaving the people behind to simply pick up the pieces. What good came out of those?" [A MySpace Friend (June 17, 2008)]
Some forms of pain are essential parts of life. The very concept of "animal life" implies the destruction of other life (food) in order to construct and preserve itself. Even plant life is competitive and strives against other plant life to obtain and secure resources, as any gardener well knows. Life as we know it necessarily involves suffering. According to my definition of life: "order in flux", competition for resources is inevitable. Nature is red in tooth and claw neither because She wants to be so, nor because God chose for Her to be so: but because there is no other way for life to be!
"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning in labour pains until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly while we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies." [Rom 8 19-23]So according to St Paul, the present natural state of affairs is to be seen as provisional. It is a temporary subjection of created being to the process of evolution in order to bring life to birth. The painful process is justified by the end in view, its teleological hope. The temporary distancing of the human soul from God that is characteristic of mortal life on Earth has a similar justification. It too is painful, it too has a resolution: in the Beatific Vision. Of course, it is arguably Man's job to mitigate the pain:
"The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it." [Gen 1:15]to turn the Darwinian wilderness into the Garden of Paradise, where all creatures have their rightful place and needful resources, and can prosper in harmony:
"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind. But be glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress .... They shall not labour in vain, or bear children for calamity; for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD, and their children with them. Before they call I will answer, while they are yet speaking I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, says the LORD." [Isa 65:17-19,23-25]St John the Divine sees this prophecy fulfilled at the end of time:
"Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away." [Apoc 21:3,4]From this point of view, there is no important "Problem of Pain". No-one will have anything to complain about in the long-term! Everyone will receive abundant compensation for whatever suffering they have endured.
"I consider that the sufferings of the present time are not worth comparing with the glory about to be revealed to us" [Rom 8:18]However, it seems to me that even transitory suffering has to be justified, have a purpose or be unavoidably necessary. I do not believe that God takes the callous attitude "I can't be bothered to make your present life any easier, though I could do so, I suppose. You will just have to show a bit of patience. I'll get round to making it up to you after you die".
The Christian God does not stand by as an impassive onlooker. In Jesus, God chose to experience the last dregs of physical and intellectual and emotional pain [Mat 27:46]. Whoever is to blame for suffering, the impassible God chose to become passible and so bear the whole of the pain of physicality, finitude and futility in his own Sacred Heart. This is the core message of the doctrine of the Incarnation.
It should also be noted that even though we have seen that God is impassible,
this does not mean quite what it might seem. Just as the Incarnation enables
God the Son (and through Him, the other persons of the Trinity) to experience
first hand the joys and pains of human life; so God could more generally
experience what it is to be contingent through various energies:
created effluences/eminations which God inhabits and through which God
interacts with the created order. Examples might be Abraham's Angelic visitors
[Gen
18]; the man who wrestled with Jacob
[Gen
32:22-52]; Moses' Burning Bush
Much pain and suffering can be transformed into a positive experience, if only a suitable attitude is adopted towards it. Hence the problem of pain isn't quite as bad as it would seem. However, I do not think that this partial truth does justice to the sufferings of starving children in Ethiopia or sub-Saharan Africa, for example. They are too young to comprehend such a philosophy or to draw any comfort from it. I do not think it proper to tell someone who is starving to death that their suffering is all a matter of perspective, and that they should exercise themselves in adopting a "positive attitude" to their hunger. Neither do I think that it proper to tell the starving that they are suffering as a result of "bad karma" accumulated in earlier lives. Jesus tells us explicitly to seek to alleviate suffering, not just accept it as part of reality [Mat 25:32-46].
It can be hoped that God has created "The best of all possible worlds", no matter how unconvincing this may seem. We cannot judge this, for the following reasons.
According to the Christian tradition, evil is not a "thing in itself", a "substance" that can infect, possess or subvert other things, as vividly portrayed as a smoking coal in the film "The Time Bandits" [Terry Gillian] or as the "Illearth Stone" in the book of that name [Steven Donaldson]. Rather evil is a defect in reality, a distortion of the truth: a disordering of things that are in themselves entirely good, simply because they are. Evil is a lie, as good is the truth. It is not true to say that good and evil are two sides of the same coin, or that each requires the other in order to exist: stand out from its background. Good is peace, harmony and wholeness: "Shalom", and has no need for conflict, discord or disease for its excellence to be manifest. On the contrary, even in the greatest evil there is necessarily a core of good. The most perverted act is a misguided attempt to obtain what is perceived to be of benefit. Evil wishes for its own good, and is (sadly) reinforced in its wickedness by its inevitable failure to achieve this desired end.
Because evil is not a substance (any more than is good, for that matter!) there is no need to hypothesize a source for it. While good isn't a substance, the Christian tradition identifies it with "being in itself": the ultimate good of any-thing is simply to exist, the purpose of Life is to Live! God, while no-thing: is Being [Ex 3:14] is Good [Mk 10:18] is Love [1Jn 4:8]. This analysis contrasts starkly with that of Buddhism, which tends to identify existence with striving, suffering and pain (so: existence is evil, not good; and God is not!) and prescribes the pursuit of passivity and non-existence (blending back into the background) as the practical answer to the Problem of Pain.
Of course, as God is, ex hypothesis, the basis, origin and creative source of the Cosmos: it is God that determined (to within whatever freedom logic allowed) the specifics of its constitution. God inevitably decided "what was good", in the sense that God may have chosen to create one of a number of possible self consistent realities. To this extent, God rules His Cosmos by diktat. God decided which Universe to make: this one and no other (setting aside the possibility that God has made many Universes). God is answerable to no-one other than God, outside of the Act of Creation: though in that very act, God took on board a moral responsibility for and towards what God created. The fact that God made a Cosmos in which sentient beings consider that a maker has a responsibility of care towards the made [Pinnochio, the film "A.I."] tells a great deal about the character of God.
Finally, it is good simply to be. God cannot possibly vary or spin this. God is being in itself. From this point of view, God has no choice in setting up the ethics of the Cosmos. Contrary to my (inadequate!) understanding of the tenets of Buddhism, the foundational principle of ethics is the goodness of existence, and all detailed morality flows from that once the specific nature of the ethical agents and objects are known.
Consider total perfection. If it did not exist it would not be totally perfect. Therefore it must exist. This is God. God Exists.
The essential flaw in this argument (which can be made much more convincing by being decorated and extended in various ways) is that it tacitly assumes that it is impossible to conceive of something that is not. As many a theoretical physicist will sorrowfully tell you, this is simply not true: hence Descartes' ingenuity was in this regard misplaced.
So, the Cosmos requires explanation: or "cause", speaking metaphysically. Why is it the Cosmos that in fact it is? Why does it have the dynamics that it has? Why is it governed by the Laws of Physics that it is governed by and not by others? Why do the fundamental constants that feature in these Laws have the values that they do have? Why does space-time happen to have the dimensionality that in fact it has? Why is the Cosmos in the particular state now that we find it to be in?
Why is the Cosmos at all?
One can label the required explanation for all this "God: the UnCaused First Cause; the UnMoving First Mover; the UnGoverned Law Giver, etc. etc."
All things that are so, are equally removed from being nothing; and whatsoever hath any being is by that being a glass in which we see God, who is the root and the fountain of all being. The whole frame of nature is the theatre; the whole volume of creatures in the glass; and the light of nature, Reason, is our light. [John Donne]
God is not part of the Cosmos. God does not interact with physical reality in the sense of exchanging energy and momentum. After all, this would contradict the law of energy and momentum conservation. Although God is the foundation of all that physically is, God is not physically at all! While God underwrites the Laws of Physics, God is not governed by them: God is no thing and they simply do not apply to God. It is improper to conflate God with the Cosmos as some larger whole (perhaps on the basis that God acts miraculously within the Cosmos) and then ask what is its cause?
We can have no expectations of God: except, it would appear, that God is. Unlike all physical things, one can presume that God is noncontingent; that God is necessary being: God is what God is because God is unavoidably so. God who is no thing is so, just as nothing else is so!
Of God himself can no man think. And therefore I would leave all that thing that I can think, and choose to my love that thing that I cannot think. For why: he may well be loved, but not thought. By love may he be gotten and holden, but by thought never. And therefore, though it be good sometime to think of the kindness and the worthiness of God in special, and although it be a light and a part of contemplation, nevertheless yet in this work it shall be cast down and covered with a cloud of forgetting. And thou shalt step above it stalwartly, but listily, with a devout and a pleasing stirring of love, and try for to pierce that darkness above thee. And smite upon that thick cloud of unknowing with a sharp dart of longing love; and go not thence for (any)thing that befalleth.
[Anon "The Cloud of Unknowing"]Every being that exists either exists by itself, by its own essence or nature, or it does not exist by itself. If it exists by its own essence, then it exists necessarily and eternally, and explains itself. It cannot not exist, as a triangle cannot not have three sides. If, on the other hand, a being exists but not by its own essence, then it needs a cause, a reason outside itself for its existence. Because it does not explain itself, something else must explain it. Beings whose essence does not contain the reason for their existence, beings that need causes, are called contingent, or dependent, beings. A being whose essence is to exist is called a necessary being... God would be the only necessary being - if God existed. [Peter Kreeft: "The First Cause Argument"]
Although the specifics of carbon chemistry ..... may not be necessary for life .... a living being must contain organized complexity, or information. The minimum requirements for information content can be determined by fundamental mathematical theory, and it is clear that it requires .... a local decrease in entropy. Entropy is .... the disorder in a system, and for a closed system .... entropy always increases ..... cups fall and shatter, they do not coalesce and jump back onto their saucers. More importantly, without sustenance and breath, bodies die and decay, while corpses do not come back to life. A living being with the ability to ask the question "why am I here?" must contain an incredible amount of order to be able to frame such a deep, information filled thought, whatever kind of chemistry or physics underlies the being. So the question is, "what kinds of universe could allow such order to arise?" If the answer is "just about any" then we should not be so surprised about our universe - the right, well suited type of order would arise to fit the environment in any universe. However, if the answer is "almost none," then we do need to question why the universe is so special.Of course, if there are an infinite number of Universes, with different Laws of Physics: then there is nothing to explain. No matter how weird it is that a Universe is life friendly, those few that are so will give rise to life; and whenever that life achieves self-consciousness it will start writing articles like this one. This is the "MultiVerse" hypothesis. Of course, one avoids invoking an infinite and impassible "God" as an explanation for the World, at the cost of invoking an infinite set of Worlds. Arguably, these are "God" under another name. It is possible to make the argument somewhat more palatable, as Dr Miller describes:
Many cosmologists are attempting to find what explanation they can within science, in preference to invoking a Creator .... the ripples left on the cosmic background radiation .... provide strong evidence for a period of ..... exponential expansion .... in the first 10-33 seconds of the universe's existence. If such an era existed, there is no reason that the universe we observe is all that condensed .... There could be a plethora of .... sub-universes, that are completely unobservable to us ..... it is not so surprising that one of a multitude of sub-universes happens to have the right conditions for life.As someone deeply suspicious of "probability", I cannot resist pointing out that this argument is all about how "unlikely" it is that the Cosmos should be how it is. Given that the Cosmos is what it is, we know the exact probability (in one sense of the word) that it is so. It is unity! Only if one legitimately conceives of a set of "equally likely" alternatives (as far as I am aware this necessarily invokes a symmetry property of some, in this case unfathomable, system) can one start to ask questions such as: "What proportion of all possible Universes are compatible with life?" If both the Laws of Physics and the values of the fundamental constants were to be the same in all condensation neighbourhoods (as seems most plausible to me), then the notion of sub-universes does not help to explain anything. Dr Miller continues:
It is well known that all life on Earth (barring the strange sulphurous life arising around deep-sea volcanic vents) is ultimately dependent on the inflowing energy from the sun. The sun is an average star, and, like all stars, can provide the power for life, by providing vast amounts of energy (as heat and light) at very low entropy (from a small region much hotter than the rest of the universe). Hot spots, such as stars, are necessary to allow any form of organized complexity to arise. Living things must all take in low entropy (hot or organized) energy and release it at high entropy (useless waste heat) in order to increase or at least maintain their internal information. The "hot spots" which allow any living being to survive, must also be there for it to evolve, so must remain stable over a large period of time, compared to typical physical processes in the life cycle of the being. Now, in our universe there is a specific resonance in the nuclear reaction process, which enables stars to burn at all, and endure for the billions of years that have been necessary for life to develop. In a universe almost the same as ours, but perhaps with a slightly different electron mass, the resonance would not occur, stars would not shine, and the universe would be dark, dead and dull.This is quite telling. Darwinianism can't help here. Even if the Laws of the Universe could change, it is difficult to see how the idea of "survival of the fittest" could apply here. Of course, it may just be that the Cosmos is a self-consistent solution. This idea I call "The Vorlon Hypothesis" (apologies to Babylon V.) The idea is that the Cosmos was created (or the Laws of Physics at least massaged) by gods that evolve within the Cosmos and then "time travel" back to the beginning of time to ensure that the Cosmos starts off just right. Dr Miller expresses a related idea, more prosaically:There is a multitude of similarly finely tuned properties of our universe .... The delicate balance between the original expansion of the universe and the gravitational attraction, which tends to pull everything back together, ensures that the explosive debris from one star can arrive in the vicinity of another star which forms separately. All life on Earth is made from atoms of debris from the first star, and relies on heat and light from the second star, namely our sun. In a gravitationally stronger universe, the first star would swallow the second, while in a .... more spread out universe, the debris would never reach another star.
A similarly untestable possibility put forth by scientific sceptics is that the universe is really infinite in time, and just bounces in and out of big crunches and big bangs. There is supposedly a new set of laws of physics each time round (though, this is rather implausible in my view, as the new mashed up fundamental laws must always lead to another bouncing universe, without being specifically tuned!).This is a sequential version of the "MultiVerse" hypothesis.
In contradiction with any form of the MultiVerse hypothesis, it is the hope of many physicists that only one consistent set of Laws of Physics is possible. Finding this unique set together with the principle that gives rise to it would complete Einstein's programme of reducing dynamics and gravity to generalized geometry or the principle of continuity: "No Action at a Distance", known to the Ancient Greeks. It would require extending the treatment somehow to all the forces of Physics withn the aim of unifying General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics.
If, in addition, these Laws featured no arbitrary parameters, then everything would be explained (except for the fundamental question: "why is anything?") It would be astounding (though not "improbable"), if the only possible set of laws and fundamental constants is exactly the one that gives rise to life in such a delicately balanced and baroque manner! This would mean that logic itself indirectly and obscurely necessitates life! Of course, the prologues of Genesis and John's Gospel could be taken as suggesting exactly this doctrine.
While scientific sceptics deny the strong anthropic principle, many theologians and religious scientists embrace it, as it points to a Creator who stimulates life and enables us to flourish. The uncovering of such a fertile universe, which is so clearly conducive to beauty, encourages process theologians, as it appears that the universe follows a very thin line between rigid order and incoherent chaos. Other religious thinkers remain wary of the whole argument, and following the "contrast" viewpoint, are loathe to incorporate any scientific evidence, which may be later reinterpreted, in their vision of God. As the "many universe" theories are not completely outside the realms of falsifiable evidence, it is perhaps right to be patient before hailing the fine-tuning as proof of God. Nevertheless, I for one do not cease to be amazed by the transcendent beauty inherent within the laws of nature. These will always speak to me of the Nature of God.
The Cosmological Argument can be portrayed as claiming to establish that the universe has this structure. In order to do so it must add a categorical premise to the undisputed fact that the laws of Physics can not serve this purpose. This categorical premise is:There is at least one necessary existential proposition: the "Uncaused Cause". All other true existential propositions then follow necessarily: "Absolute Determinism".
Is there any reason to accept this suppressed premise? Plainly, it is not the kind of premise for which there could be any empirical evidence. Nor is it self-evident. Rather, it would seem that absolute certainty only arises in the context of the formal relations between abstract entities, such as numbers or propositions. It is altogether foreign to the context of either the existence or non-formal properties of particulars.The Cosmos is such that mathematical intellectual satisfaction concerning events is possible.
Moreover, it seems there can be no necessary existential proposition of the kind envisaged in the first premise. Such propositions always concern the connexion (or disconnection) of other propositions. They are always conditional, taking the form: 'If P is true, then Q is true'. It follows that the conclusion of the Cosmological Argument is not only unproven but also false.
Even if this objection be waived, an equally formidable one remains. The difficulty is as follows. Anything whose existence was a necessary consequence of its nature would be a timeless existent. Now nature is composed of things and persons and processes which begin at certain dates, last for so long, and then cease. How could a temporal fact, such as the fact that there began to be a person having the characteristics of Julius Caesar at a certain date, follow logically from facts all of which are non-temporal? The necessary consequences of facts which are necessary are themselves necessary, and the necessary consequences of facts which have no reference to any particular time can themselves have no reference to any particular time.
Nevertheless, the Cosmological Argument is more an abstraction from Physics and Epistemology, rather than a deduction within Ontology. It reflects on human experience of what it is to know, rather than working from supposed a priori truths concerning being in itself. To treat it in terms of a formal axiomatic structure is to mistake its import.
The Cosmological Argument is not about positively "completely satisfying the intellect", but rather concerns itself with highlighting the defect in all contingent being. It asserts that this deficit must be supplied: or else one admits that in once case "Why?" is not a legitimate question. It continues that this can only be done by hypothesizing some non-contingent being: Being unlike any being to be encountered within the Cosmos: being that is entirely beyond our experience and is almost entirely beyond our comprehension.
The Theist should not contend that the Act of Creation was necessary, in the sense that Dr. Broad implies that he must. Though the uncaused-cause be necessary, the Cosmos is not created of necessity. It is not necessary for the truth of the Cosmological Argument that it be so! Neither should it be maintained that every detail of the Cosmos is pre-determined by the Divine Act of creation, as Dr. Broad insinuates it must be. The prime deficit in contingent being is the contingency of the Laws of Physics, rather than that of events in themselves. It is this contingency that the hypothesis of the uncaused-cause primarily addresses.
On the one hand, it may prove possible to package-up the contingency
of events altogether in the initial- and
boundary-conditions of the Big-Bang, which may in turn transpire to
be inevitable: if anything is to be at all. On the other hand, it may turn
out that a radical contingency characterizes
all epochs of the Cosmos. Although all events are caused: in the sense
that they obey the Laws of Physics and that "one thing leads to another",
it may be that some, and perhaps many, event sequences converge backwards
to singularities in space-time. In which case, the reason why one such
sequence arises rather than another must be looked for either in its future
rather than its past: and it be admitted that causality runs backwards
as well as forwards in time, or outside time altogether: that is either
to God or some Conscious Agent.
If God wants something from me, he would tell me.
All that God "wants from you" is your fulfilment - which will require you to be in fellowship with God.He wouldn't leave someone else to do this, as if an infinite being were short on time.
Indeed. Moreover he couldn't "leave this to someone else". Only God knows the mind of God.And he would certainly not leave fallible, sinful humans to deliver an endless plethora of confused and contradictory messages. God would deliver the message himself, directly, to each and every one of us, and with such clarity as the most brilliant being in the universe could accomplish. We would all hear him out and shout "Eureka!" So obvious and well-demonstrated would his message be. It would be spoken to each of us in exactly those terms we would understand. And we would all agree on what that message was. Even if we rejected it, we would all at least admit to each other, "Yes, that's what this God fellow told me."
Still, God might use intermediaries, for any number of reasons; some are pretty obvious, and others might exist that are beyond our understanding.
It is impetuous and conceited to lay down the law as to what God has to do or must do.
We simply do not see things from God's perspective.
I beg to disagree. This would subvert the basic intention of God.Excuses don't fly. The Christian proposes that a supremely powerful being exists who wants us to set things right, and therefore doesn't want us to get things even more wrong. This is an intelligible hypothesis, which predicts there should be no more confusion about which religion or doctrine is true than there is about the fundamentals of medicine, engineering, physics, chemistry, or even meteorology.
God's fundamental intention for us is to "educate us into being His friends" and "seduce us into being His lovers", not to "instruct or train us into being His servants".
On the other hand, I believe that for those with the right outlook (and who are at the right point on their spiritual journey) the fact of God's being is sufficiently obvious to produce such an exclamation of "eureka!"
No it doesn't. You are adding a gloss of your own and it is this gloss that allows you to make the prediction which you then - correctly - say is inconsistent with experience. However, all that you have done is falsify your own gloss; which, while being a worthwhile thing to do, is not what you are claiming to have done!It should be indisputably clear what God wants us to do, and what he doesn't want us to do.
- God is not "a supremely powerful being". God is rather "Being-In-Itself". I don't think that this error affects your argument, though.
- God does not want "to set things right" as this would imply that things were not already "set right" and this would implicitly contradict the first statement.
- You later rely on this idea to implicitly justify comparing the God-Man relationship with that between a physician and their patient.
- I agree that God "doesn't want us to get things [even more] wrong." However, this is subordinate to the fundamental intention that God has; namely to educate us into being His friends and seduce us into being His lovers. If these two intentions come into conflict, then it is the second - which is absolutely prior to the former - that prevails. The reason being that whatever mess we make of things, God can - and will - eventually put it right.
- The gloss that you are adding silently is something along the lines of
"What matters is the possession of information or knowledge, not the process by which that information or knowledge comes to be possessed."
This is pretty obviously false. It is one thing to be able to parrot a set of facts because one has been told them - by an instructor. It is quite another to understand something because one has figured it out for oneself - perhaps with help and guidance from a good teacher.- Human beings have been busy figuring out mathematics and physics - and all the other sciences and technologies that derive from them - for themselves over a thousand years or more. Even so, there is a great deal of confusion as to the fundamentals of physics, in fact - but I don't think that this error affects your argument.
- Similarly, we have been engaged in a process of philosophical and theological discovery over the same period of time. The only real difference being that - I and other believers hold - God has specifically gotten involved in this process, for exactly the kind of reasons that you have already implied, namely because God is concerned for our well-being.
Any disputes that might still arise about that would be as easily and decisively resolved as any dispute between two doctors, chemists, or engineers as to the right course to follow in curing a patient, identifying a chemical, or designing a bridge.
- It is! What God wants is for us to discover what we can be and then to become that.
- First and foremost this requires us to be anything - that is to continue to exist.
- Second it requires us to understand what beauty and justice are; so that we can come to desire and relentlessly pursue these goods and so be fulfilled and happy.
- God has no need of any goods or benefits from us - how could He, being God? God is entirely adequate to God and lacks no good!
- All that God "wants" is our welfare. God's will for us is for us to do what is good for our welfare and to refrain from doing what is bad for our welfare. What could be easier than this to understand and fathom?
- The only problem is determining in any circumstance and context what this might be, exactly. Of course, this is a big problem - but not something that any set of rules or laws could possibly address, except as understood as guidelines that often have to be broken.
Yet this is not what we observe. Instead, we observe exactly the opposite: unresolvable disagreement and confusion. That is clearly a failed prediction. A failed prediction means a false theory. Therefore, Christianity is false.
- In fact all human expertise is limited and often two experts will genuinely differ - with good cause - over the course of action to be taken in any circumstance. The contrast you are attempting to set up between technical matters and theological/ethical matters is pretty much unrealistic. However, this error doesn't affect your basic argument.
- Moreover, in theological - and especially ethical matters - the state of affairs you describe would be a bad thing!
- There is a more than sufficient tendency within a fallible Church [as a Catholic, I know this only too well!] to over-state the trustworthiness of human authorities. The effects that such over-statements have is to discourage
- human imagination, questioning and inquiry; in favour of waiting for pronouncements
- thinking for oneself[ in favour of repeating slogans
- personal moral responsibility; in favour of "holy obedience"!
- If there was some manifestly infallible oracle to consult [a supercharged papacy, if you like - God forbid!] this would result in every human being turning off their own judgement and conscience and simply obeying the decrees of that oracle.
- It was precisely in order to avoid this pathological state of affairs [which directly contradicts God's prime intention for Man] that Jesus ceased to dwell in the physical world and instead established the Church - under the guidance and protection (rather than the imperious command) of Holy Spirit. - as His more gentle means of remaining indirectly engaged in human affairs.
No. Only your gloss is false, but this fact should have been obvious from the start!Typically, Christians try to make excuses for God that protect our free will. Either the human will is more powerful than the will of God, and therefore can actually block his words from being heard despite all his best and mighty efforts, or God cares more about our free choice not to hear him than about saving our souls, and so God himself "chooses" to be silent.
No. Our souls are "saved" precisely through our free-will. Without our autonomy we cannot become God's Friends.Of course, there is no independent evidence of either this remarkable human power to thwart God, or this peculiar desire in God, and so this is a completely "ad hoc" theory: something just "made up" out of thin air in order to rescue the actual theory that continually fails to fit the evidence.
This is not an excuse. Human autonomy is the foundation of all God's dealings with Man! If you want to "disprove Christianity" you must take the theory as given; otherwise you are simply setting us a "straw man" and then shooting him down - which is rather pointless!But for reasons I'll explore later, such "added elements" are never worthy of belief unless independently confirmed: you have to know they are true. You can't just "claim" they are true. Truth is not invented. It can only be discovered. Otherwise, Christianity is just a hypothesis that has yet to find sufficient confirmation in actual evidence.
Be that as it may. Though "maybe, therefore probably" is not a logical way to arrive at any belief,
- This is fine, as far as it goes, but that is not very far.
- No believer can reasonably claim that Christianity is anything other than a "reasonable hypothesis" or "rational account" - a theory. It is no "more confirmed by evidence" than is "Darwinian Evolutionism" or "Copenhaganist Quantum Mechanics" or "Einsteinian General Relativity"! Read some [more] Popper if you doubt this!
- Indeed (from the nature of the case), the evidence in favour of Judeo-Christianity [or Catholicism, for that matter!] is more indirect, more experiential and less experimental than that in favour of the typical physics theory; but the way that modern physics is going this is becoming less and less true. Physics and metaphysics are rapidly merging into pure mathematics - just as any good Platonist - such as myself - would hope and predict!
- In the end, all knowledge is based on faith and conviction. Even our acceptance of logic as the basis of this argument is a matter of faith. How can either of us establish that logic is valid when the very idea of validity requires the avidity of logic to have been already established!
Agreed!let's assume the Christian can somehow "prove" (with objective evidence everyone can agree is relevant and true) that we have this power or God has this desire. Even on that presumption, there are unsolvable problems with this "additional" hypothesis. Right from the start, it fails to explain why believers disagree.
The fact that believers can't agree on the content of God's message or desires also refutes the theory that he wants us to be clear on these things. This failed prediction cannot be explained away by any appeal to free will..--..for these people have chosen to hear God, and not only to hear him, but to accept Jesus Christ as the shepherd of their very soul. So no one can claim these people chose not to hear God. Therefore, either God is telling them different things, or there is no God. Even if there is a God, but he is deliberately sowing confusion, this contradicts what Christianity predicts to be God's desire, which entails Christianity is the wrong religion. Either way, Christianity is false.
- First, because human beings suffer from conceit and don't like to have their favourite (but mistaken) ideas corrected.
- Second, because different perspectives can give rise to different accounts which superficially seem to disagree while being, at a deeper level, compatible.
- "Matrix Mechanics" and "Wave Mechanics" were originally proposed as two competing (and highly antagonistic!) accounts of Quantum Mechanics. Subsequently, it was shown that they were simply two alternative and equivalent viewpoints of the same thing.
So this theory doesn't work. It fails to predict what we actually observe. But even considering atheists like me, this "ad hoc" excuse still fails to save Christianity from the evidence. When I doubted the Big Bang theory, I voiced the reasons for my doubts but continued to pursue the evidence, frequently speaking with several physicists who were "believers." Eventually, they presented all the logic and evidence in terms I understood, and I realized I was wrong: the Big Bang theory is well-supported by the evidence and is at present the best explanation of all the facts by far.
- No. As, I've already said, people are wilful. Even those of us who on one level want to understand the things of God are often frightened to give up on ideas which we honestly (but wrongly) think are good and wholesome, but which are in fact exactly the opposite.
- In the end, this doesn't matter - because what God primarily wants of us is that we try to understand and that we struggle and fight with our own ignorance and imperfections. It is the process that is important. What matters is to be of "good will" or to "hunger and thirst for justice", not to be in possession of all the right answers!
- Gods purpose is for us to be morally perfected - sanctified - through this struggle, with His help and encouragement; that is, by His grace.
Did these physicists violate my free will? Certainly not. I chose to pursue the truth and hear them out. So, too, I and countless others have chosen to give God a fair hearing..--..if only he would speak. I would listen to him even now, at this very moment. Yet he remains silent. Therefore, it cannot be claimed that I am "choosing" not to hear him. And therefore, the fact that he still does not speak refutes the hypothesis. Nothing about free will can save the theory here.
- The "rational account" that agrees most closely with the evidence available to us at present is indeed "The Inflationary Big Bang Theory"; but note the "at present". Increasingly, however, evidence is turning up which this theory does not satisfactorily account for and we still aren't clear about what caused the "inflation".
- Your "by far" tends to suggest that the "degree of support" (how might one evaluate this?) implies some kind of "probability (or plausibility or reasonable expectation) that this theory will never be overturned." This pseudo-deduction is profoundly unjustifiable.
God speaks everywhere. On one level you are willing to hear His voice, that I gladly acknowledge; but on another you are not.Even when we might actually credit free will with resisting God's voice..--..like the occasional irrational atheist, or the stubbornly mistaken theist..--..the Christian theory is still not compatible with the premise that God would not or could not overcome this resistance.
You want to have the answer given in your own terms - but those terms are wrong and fundamentally exclude the very answer that you seek!
Essential to the Christian hypothesis, as C.S. Lewis says, is the proposition that God is "quite definitely good" and "loves love and hates hatred." Unless these statements are literally meaningless, they entail that God would behave like anyone else who is "quite definitely good" and "loves love and hates hatred." And such people don't give up on someone until their resistance becomes intolerable..--..until then, they will readily violate someone's free will to save them, because they know darned well it is the right thing to do. God would do the same. He would not let the choice of a fallible, imperfect being thwart his own good will.
- It is not always proper (consistent with justice, from which flows God's first intention in His dealings with Man) for God to do everything that God could do, just considering God's might.
- Might is not right!
- God wants to persuade and seduce us, not coerce and spiritually rape us!
That's where you are wrong. It is not good for someone to be spiritually raped - "for their own good".I know this for a fact. Back in my days as a flight-deck firefighter, when our ship's helicopter was on rescue missions, we had to stand around in our gear in case of a crash. There was usually very little to do, so we told stories. One I heard was about a rescue swimmer. She had to pull a family out of the water from a capsized boat, but by the time the chopper got there, it appeared everyone had drowned except the mother, who was for that reason shedding her life vest and trying to drown herself. The swimmer dove in to rescue her, but she kicked and screamed and yelled to let her die. She even gave the swimmer a whopping black eye. But the swimmer said to hell with that, I'm bringing you in! And she did, enduring her curses and blows all the way.
As to whether - in the fullness of time - God does manage to seduce and befriend every soul, I cannot say - I am not God. I hope so, but I cannot know so. It is possible (to the best of my ignorance) that some people get themselves so messed up that they are ultimately unsalvageable.
Later, it turned out that one of the victim's children, her daughter, had survived. She had drifted pretty far from the wreck, but the rescue team pulled her out, and the woman who had beaten the crap out of her rescuer apologized and thanked her for saving her against her will. Everyone in my group agreed the rescue swimmer had done the right thing, and we all would have done the same..--..because that is what a loving, caring being does. It follows that if God is a loving being, he will do no less for us. In the real world, kind people don't act like some stubborn, pouting God who abandons the drowning simply because they don't want to be helped. They act like this rescue swimmer. They act like us.
In analogous circumstances, God will certainly act analogously; but note all the struggling involved.So we can be certain God would make sure he told everyone, directly, what his message was. Everyone would then know what God had told them.
However, this story only sounds good because of how it turned out. It is logically possible that the "rescuer" might have condemned the "rescuee" to a life of unmitigated loss and misery.
He has done. Read the Bible, listen to the testimony of the Church!They can still reject it all they want, and God can leave them alone. But there would never be, in any possible Christian universe, any confusion or doubt as to what God's message was. And if we had questions, God himself would answer them..--..just like the Big Bang physicists who were so patient with me. Indeed, the very fact that God gave the same message and answers to everyone would be nearly insurmountable proof that Christianity was true. Provided we had no reason to suspect God of lying to all of us, Christianity would be as certain as the law of gravity or the color of the sky. That is what the Christian hypothesis entails we should observe..--..for it is what a good and loving God would do, who wanted us all to set right what has gone wrong. And since this is not what we observe, but in fact the exact opposite, the evidence quite soundly refutes Christianity.
And you clearly sketch out exactly the problem with this vision. It is manifestly incompatible with human autonomy; which you consistently ignore and write-off as of no value; simply because - I suspect - you haven't thought through the implications of the existence of such an Infallible Divine Oracle.Despite this conclusion, Christians still try to hold on to their faith with this nonsense about free will..--..but they haven't thought it through. Meteorologists can disagree about the weather forecast, but they all agree how weather is made and the conditions that are required for each kind of weather to arise. And they agree about this because the scientific evidence is so vast and secure that it resolves these questions, often decisively. It can't be claimed that God has violated the free will of meteorologists by providing them with all this evidence. And yet how much more important is salvation than the physics of weather! If God wants what Christianity says he wants, he would not violate our free will to educate us on the trivial and then refuse to do the same for the most important subject of all.
And God doesn't! We have discovered all that we know of meteorology for ourselves - perhaps with some help from God, how would I know? - but certainly not with any violation of our autonomy! The situation is similar with theology and (what is of more practical importance) ethics. Theology and "religious belief" has the prime purpose of underpinning and motivating ethics - this was the amazing and innovative realization of the Hebrews,Likewise, if a doctor wants a patient to get well, he is not vague about how he must do this, but as clear as can be. He explains what is needed in terms the patient can understand. He even answers the patient's questions, and whenever asked will present all the evidence for and against the effectiveness of the treatment. He won't hold anything back and declare, "I'm not going to tell you, because that would violate your free will!" Nor would any patient accept such an excuse..--..to the contrary, he would respond, "But I choose to hear you," leaving the doctor no such excuse.
There can't be any excuse for God, either. There are always disagreements, and there are always people who don't follow what they are told or what they know to be true. But that doesn't matter. Chemists all agree on the fundamental facts of chemistry. Doctors all agree on the fundamental facts of medicine. Engineers all agree on the fundamental facts of engineering. So why can't all humans agree on the fundamental facts of salvation? There is no more reason that they should be confused or in the dark about this than that chemists, doctors, and engineers should be confused or in the dark.
- However, the situation we are in is not comparable to the physician-patient relationship (where it is the business of the physician to actively cure the patient who is passive in the physician's care) but rather the teacher-student relationship (which is predicated on a certain equality and on friendship), with the prospect in view of this developing into the lover-beloved relationship.
- The teacher's best tactic at all times is to ask questions and to challenge and to critique their student, not simply to drill and indoctrinate them. Even if the student demands "to be given the right answers to memorize for the exam" (as I have been!) it is entirely wrong for the true educator to do so. Indeed, the first thing that the student must learn - if they are ever to understand anything at all - is that they must not make such demands, or at least never expect them to be satisfied!
- Your problem is that you haven't twigged how high is the vocation that you have received from God. You are assuming a lower vocation (one that seems more reasonable) then discovering that this doesn't fit in with the facts and finally (unreasonably) claiming that because this theory is wrong the very idea of Christianity (which you have never actually considered) is false.
What would count as "the fundamental facts of salvation"? Have you ever tried to express what these might be. I accept that you have gone some way to having done so in this essay, and I have attempted to respond - suggesting where your vision might be extended and broadened, just as your (other) physicist friends helped you to gain some understanding of the "Big Bang Theory".The logically inevitable fact is, if the Christian God existed, we would all hear from God himself the same message of salvation, and we would all hear, straight from God, all the same answers to all the same questions. The Chinese would have heard it. The Native Americans would have heard it. Everyone today, everywhere on Earth, would be hearing it, and their records would show everyone else in history had heard it, too. Sure, maybe some of us would still balk or reject that message. But we would still have the information. Because the only way to make an informed choice is to have the required information. So a God who wanted us to make an informed choice would give us all the information we needed, and not entrust fallible, sinful, contradictory agents to convey a confused mess of ambiguous, poorly supported claims. Therefore, the fact that God hasn't spoken to us directly, and hasn't given us all the same, clear message, and the same, clear answers, is enough to prove Christianity false.
Perhaps people do agree well enough about "the fundamental facts of salvation". Perhaps this is why you and I are able to have this argument.
St Paul tells us that - in fact - this is exactly the case and Catholics believe that every soul - even that of a pagan - receives sufficient grace [help, guidance, encouragement and support] from God to be saved. Perhaps we should reverse your argument and evaluate what "the fundamental facts of salvation" are more in terms of what is in fact common knowledge rather than stating that because there isn't enough agreement the whole "God thing" is false. Perhaps some humility is called for here!Just look at what Christians are saying. They routinely claim that God is your father and best friend. Yet if that were true, we would observe all the same behaviors from God that we observe from our fathers and friends. But we don't observe this. Therefore, there is no God who is our father or our friend. The logic of this is truly unassailable, and no "free will" excuse can escape it. For my father and friends aren't violating my free will when they speak to me, help me, give me advice, and answer my questions.
Agreed, but they are not God and are not infallible! Their answers and advice and help are not ultimately and absolutely authoritative and unquestionable - and you know that. Hence, you would subject them all to your own scrutiny and judgement - except in the case of an urgent emergency This is the huge difference!Therefore, God would not violate my free will if he did so. He must be able to do at least as much as they do, even if for some reason he couldn't do more.
But God doesn't do anything at all. He doesn't talk to, teach, help, or comfort us, unlike my real father and my real friends. God doesn't tell us when we hold a mistaken belief that shall hurt us. But my father does, and my friends do. Therefore, no God exists who is even remotely like my father or my friends, or anyone at all who loves me. Therefore, Christianity is false.
- It is wrong to argue from what it is right and proper for a human being to do to what it is right and proper for God to do.
- God is not any-thing-like a human being! Every one of God's actions is necessarily indefinitely puissant and if not moderated and mediated forces the outcome.
- This is why God always acts through intermediaries. When God Himself came into this world, as Jesus, He chose to do so in an obscure way and to teach in parables.
- Even when He rose from the dead, He chose to reveal Himself informally and only to a select group (quite a few, actually, but still select) rather than appear in glory, stepping out of the "Holy of Holies" of the Jerusalem Temple!
God does all these things, if you look in the right places. God has been a great comfort to me in my anguish. God has shown me that I was wrong about things and guides me into better ways of thinking. God simply doesn't do these things in the way that you think that He ought to!The conclusion is inescapable. If Christianity were true, then the Gospel would have been preached to each and every one of us directly, and correctly, by God..--..just as it supposedly was to the disciples who walked and talked and dined with God Himself, or to the Apostle Paul, who claimed to have had actual conversations with God, and to have heard the Gospel directly from God Himself. Was their free will violated? Of course not.
Indeed, it wasn't. For them to accept that what Jesus said was authentic required a step of faith - which many other contemporary people didn't make. It was not utterly obvious that Jesus was the Messiah, else why did both the religious and secular authorities reject Him? Would you have been with Peter and Paul and Thomas in their professions of faith based on evidence; or with Caiaphas and Pontius Pilot in their rejection of Jesus' credentials?Nor would ours be. Thus, if Christianity were really true, there would be no dispute as to what the Gospel is. There would only be our free and informed choice to accept or reject it.
Or various aspects of it - this is in fact the precise basis of "heresy" and the cause of divergence of theological opinion among sincere Christians.At the same time, all our sincere questions would be answered by God, kindly and clearly,
As an Infallible Divine Oracle which would then utterly erase human autonomy. Rather like the vision that the Queen of the Elves foresaw for herself; and which motivated her to refused to take the Ring of Sauron, when Frodo offered it to her.and when we compared notes, we would find that the Voice of God gave consistent answers and messages to everyone all over the world, all the time. So if Christianity were true, there would be no point in "choosing" whether God exists anymore than there is a choice whether gravity exists or whether all those other people exist whom we love or hate or help or hurt. We would not face any choice to believe on insufficient and ambiguous evidence, but would know the facts, and face only the choice whether to love and accept the God that does exist.
In fact there is a considerable uniformity about fundamental ethics from one culture to another. In the end: "Be excellent to one another" pretty much sums it all up!That this is not the reality, yet it would be the reality if Christianity were true, is proof positive that Christianity is false.
If we truly knew all the facts, there would be no basis for choice - unless we were to "chose" irrationally, which is no choice!
The only basis upon which any kind of free choice can be made is a certain degree of ignorance!
No! Only that your "gloss" is false: namely that it is "the possession of information or knowledge that matters, and not at all the process by which it is to be obtained."