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My understanding is that under the new Unified Handicapping System - General play adjustments are no longer allowed. For those players that have limited opportunity to compete in handicap qualifying events and are restricted / limited to mainly playing on Saturdays  (eg the Saturday rollup ) how will the club ensure that a players handicap is representative of their current playing ability.
 Thanks
 
Phil Bowley 05/10

(In reply)

Ron makes an interesting point - I've always been led to believe that rakes should be left in the bunker on the basis that, if left outside, it could prevent a ball coming to rest in the sand.

Would also be interested if Kevin [or anybody else] has knowledge of a rule that restricts the number of spare balls that a player can carry in his bag. I mention this as somebody from Chichester mentioned it at the weekend. Given that the person was on the receiving end of a hammering it sounded like a large clutch at small straw to me.
Would be grateful of some advice re the above.

Mick Sim 29/09

I wonder if you could help me with the Club's policy on rakes in bunkers, please.   I have looked up what the R&A say, which is as follows:

"It is recommended that rakes be placed outside bunkers as on balance it is felt there is less likelihood of an advantage or disadvantage to the player. In practice players who leave rakes in bunkers frequently leave them at the side which tends to stop a ball rolling into the flat part of the bunker, resulting in a much more difficult shot than would otherwise have been the case. This is especially true of small bunkers. If a ball comes to rest against a rake in the bunker, the player must proceed under Rule 24-1 and it may not be possible to replace the ball on the same spot or find a spot in the bunker which is not nearer the hole - see Decision 20-3d/2. If rakes are left in the middle of the bunker, the only way to do so is to throw them into the bunker, damaging the surface. Also, if a rake is in the middle of a large bunker it is either not used or the player is obliged to rake a large area of the bunker resulting in unnecessary delay. Ultimately, it is a matter for the Committee to decide where it wishes rakes to be placed (see Decision Misc./2)."

Ron or Barbara Simcock - 25/09/08
 

 

answer/reply 

In reply to David's question about removing loose impediments from the putting surface if a player is off the green, although initially I felt he might be correct I now am fairly certain that this is not against the Rules of Golf. Also when removing these impediments as long as the player makes sure he doesn't press down on the putting surface it cannot be interpreted as testing the putting surface.
 Kevin Davey
 See below
 
What has also changed in regard to loose impediments is that they, like movable obstructions, may now be removed from the line of putt by any means. A towel, a golf cap, golf glove and of course still the player’s hand or club may now be used to remove loose impediments on the putting green. The prohibition for not pressing anything down while doing this still exists.
 
 
A short biology lesson

Rule 23, which deals with “loose impediments”, is one of the most frequently used rules in our rural game. This is reason enough to explain it in more detail – especially as the new rules for 2004-2007 have introduced two new aspects which make this rule more simple for the player.
Firstly though, it is important to have a clear definition of the term, as only natural objects which are loose, i.e. those which are not growing or fixed, which are not adhering to the ball and which are not embedded, are deemed loose impediments.

As a player you are permitted to remove loose impediments without penalty, irrespective of whether they physically obstruct you (e.g. because they are next to your ball or on your line of putt) or whether you just feel that the fact that you can see them interferes with your game (e.g. a coloured leaf in your field of view). However you have to bear a few restrictions in mind.

  1. When you remove the impediment the ball is not to move, otherwise you will incur a penalty and the ball has to be put back (an exception to this is on the green, where this is without penalty).
    For example, if a branch is lying right next to your ball it is therefore advisable to just play the ball as it lies instead of taking an unnecessary risk. It is also advisable not to touch anything on ground covered with trees or leaves, as leaves, branches and grass are often so intertwined that moving a single leaf could set off a chain reaction.

     
  2. Sand and loose soil can be removed from the green, but not from anywhere else. Dew and frost are never classed as loose impediments.

     
  3. Impediments are never to be removed from hazards (bunkers, water hazards). (However please bear the Local Rules in mind – most clubs specify that stones can be removed from bunkers as an exception.)

Two new aspects for 2004
1. It was previously the case that if a player removed a loose impediment within one club-length of the ball and the ball moved, he was automatically given one penalty stroke – irrespective of whether picking up the impediment, or a gust of wind, was responsible for moving the ball. This rule has been revoked and the player now only incurs a penalty stroke if the ball was moved as a direct consequence of removing the impediment, i.e. the player did actually cause the ball to move.
2. There used to be a remarkably detailed description of the manner in which the player was to remove loose impediments from the green - collect them up individually by hand or brush them to the side with the hand or a club. This description has been dispensed with and, for example, the player is now allowed to brush sand off his line of putt using a cap or a towel. However the player is still to make absolutely certain that nothing is pressed down when doing so.

 

 

COMMENT

There seems to be a common practice (not just at Hill Barn, but everywhere) that when the ball is on the fringe of a Green but NOT on the putting surface,  one can brush bits of debris, etc out of the way & sweep the Green clear on the line of the putt. 
 
On the fringe you are allowed to clear loose impediments around your ball but NOT improve your line of play - nor clear debris from your line to the hole.
 
Touching the Green when you are off the surface could even be interpreted as testing the surface in a medal round.,
 
I don't want to come across as pedantic or a stickler for the rules but some of us have played, or are in the the Club competitions, and this could cost you a hole or even a game in Match play.  (If you enforce it you won't make friends!!!)

It is something so commonplace that you don't think about it - it is just a reflex action.  I have raised this with Kevin who tended to agree before reaching for his rule book.!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Kevin, I await your comments as discussed.

David Wall-Morris - 06/06/06

COMMENT

Just a short note to commend the green keeping staff on the condition of the course. At last with the grass growing we have definition between fairway and rough .It is nice to see ( or not ) your ball nestling down when you miss a fairway. The greens are improving daily with the T L C  by the boys during the last few months.

Pete Searle 16/05

QUESTION

Being a new member and having played a number of rounds, I note that rules with regards relief from the rabbit scrapes on the 15th fairway appear to be interpreted in a number of different ways, so I thought that I would study the rule book. However. it is not absolutely clear to me.
 
Rule 25 (Abnormal Ground Conditions Etc) states that relief may be taken if the ball lies in a scrape or if a scrape interferes with your stance. Relief taken is to be a dropped ball within one club length from the nearest point of relief.
 
The exception to this rule is noted at the bottom of page 94, where it states that (a) a player may not take relief if it is clearly unreasonable for him to make a stroke because of interference by anything other than abnormal ground conditions or  (b) interference by an abnormal ground condition would occur only through use of unnecessarily abnormal stance, swing or direction of play.
 
Q1    If the ball lies in a rabbit scrape under a tree or one of the bushes on the 15th, is relief allowed or does the player play it as it lies or take a penalty drop because of the 'exception' rule. ?  and if you can take relief, is it to be within 1 club length from where it lies in the rabbit scrape ?
answer/reply

A1. As far as I understand the rule:-  if the ball is in a rabbit scrape or a scrape interferes with the player's swing and no shot would be possible if the scrape wasn't there either towards the green or sideways because of the tree/bush then the player is not entitled to relief, his only option is to take a penalty drop within 2 club lengths of where the ball lies, (the ball is then in play as long as it hasn't rolled forwards or more than a further 2 club lengths from the point where it was dropped) no nearer the hole.

 
If the ball lies in a rabbit scrape or the scrape interferes with the player's intended swing and it would (without the scrape being there) be possible to play a forward or sideways shot with any club then the player may take relief under Rule 25-1b, and if this relief gets the player out from behind the tree he is then entitled to play towards the green.

Q2    What is the definition of a 'stroke', does it mean a full swing or could you take relief on the basis that you could putt it out from under the bush ?

answer/reply

A2.  A stroke is the backward and forward movement of the club with the intention of moving the ball this can be with any club and any length of swing.

Q3    If you drop out from the scrape within 1 club length and it rolls into the same or a nearby scrape, should you place the ball after 3 attempts and is this the correct thing to do. Bearing in mind the number of rabbit scrapes on the 15th, you could gain an advantage by dropping you ball 30 feet from where it lay and onto the fairway.
answer/reply

A3. If you are entitled to relief you must first find the nearest point of relief from the condition you are taking relief from,  then drop within 1 club length (the ball is then in play as long as it hasn't rolled forwards or more than a further 2 club lengths from the point where it was dropped) no nearer the hole. If after the ball is dropped it finishes in the original scrape or another scrape the procedure should be repeated again from where the ball now lies (this must be continued until you obtain relief) which might mean that you finish up playing your next shot from a position of great advantage and a long way from where your ball originally finished. 

 
I hope this helps. Kevin Davey
 


 

 
       

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