John Quine born 1793  (Level 6)

John Quine, born 1793 Onchan/Braddan? (Died 1856, buried Baldwin)
	Married 15/11/1817 Braddan
Margaret Kelly, born 24/7/1796 Braddan
Children
	Margaret, born Onchan 1818, married Thomas Jelly (his mother was Manerva Jelly born 1800) *John, born 1824 married Mary Ann Cowley
Prior to marriage John  (the Tailor) lived on a farm probably in Onchan. John age 24 years, married Margaret Kelly in Braddan in 1817. Margaret was the daughter of William Kelly and Jane Creer, her family lived in the parish of Braddan. Locally the family was known both as 'Quine the Battery' & 'Quine the Tailor’. The term ‘tailor’ may have referred to his profession at that time. He had lived on an 11 acre farm at Onchan known as ‘Tailors Farm’. (It is possible this may have been the farm of his father)
An old family map dating from 1900. with X mark(s) inserted over 2 ink marks on the original map owned by Douglas Quine. The marks are sited at the location of St Luke’s (probably the location of 'The Battery') and Ballachrink.
In 1824 the same year his son was born, John bought land / croft known as 'The Battery'. This is located at the north end of Ballawillyn, East Baldwin. It had a small thatched cottage upon it, which has long since fallen down. I am advised that it was a small croft consisting of just two fields, alongside the public road running through the valley. In Mr. J.E. Cowell's reminiscences of Baldwin (1957 - born 1874) he did not recall anyone living at the Battery during his lifetime. In 1831 John acquired further land / croft known as the 'Thie Phillip'; this was 2 fields with a small thatched cottage upon it, which has long since fallen down. This is situated at the north end of Ballachrink, alongside the public road through the valley. He left this land to Margaret, his daughter. Average life expectancy was around 45 years, with around 30% or more of children dead by the age of 15. Cholera was another killer especially the epidemic of 1832/3. This was followed by a major smallpox outbreak in 1836/7. Other reasons for death at that time being typhus and sometimes famine-related causes after a bad harvest. In 1848 John’s son died at the age of 24 years, not from disease but in an accident at a local mine. His daughter Margaret, at the age of 30 years (in 1849), married a farm labourer originating from Douglas named Thomas Jelly. Their first child (Margaret) was born 2 months after the marriage. They had a total of seven known children. All members of the Jelly family lived on the farm of Margaret’s father John Quine. In 1851 the family are recorded as living in Ballacrink (John is sill alive, aged 58 years). This was a bad year for the family as two of the young children died within 10 days of each other. This is from their gravestone at St Luke’s Church, Baldwin.
Be prepared to meet they God   Erected to the memory of Margt Jelly who departed this life on the 22nd day of May 1851 aged 2 years also Lydia Jelly who departed this life June 1 at 1851 aged 4 months
In 1851 there was a smallpox epidemic on the island. This is a possible cause for their death. Also living at the same house is Benjamin Kneale, aged 7, and shown as a nephew to John Quine on the census form. He was the son of Margaret’s sister Isabella Kelly who had married Joseph Kneale. The child is still living at the house at the time of the next census, 10 years later. I discovered that Margaret’s sister Isabella had a total of 13 children and that she died in 1843, just two weeks after Benjamin’s birth. This is the probable reason for the Kneale son remaining with the Quine family. Isabella is buried at St. Luke’s. Baldwin. (This small isolated church is in the centre of the Island). John Quine died in 1856 and was buried at St Luke’s church, Baldwin
	St Luke's Baldwin (MI #5) From Gravestone Sacred to the memory of John Quine of Battery Hill in this parish who departed this life on the 14th March 1856 aged *65 years His end was peace. *Note: Possible transcription error – believed to be 62 years.
They appear to have bought more land late in their life as at the time of the 1861 census Margaret, then a widow of 65 years, is recorded as being a farmer of 60 acres at a farm named Ballacowin in the Lonan district. (This is about 5 miles from Ballachrink their previous home and is in the Colby district of Lonan, near to Glen Roy). So sometime after 1851 when John was around 58 years old they moved to a bigger farm, this seems a strange thing to have done based on their age. I had wondered if they had inherited this property but I could find no evidence of this. The most likely reason was that John was securing his daughters future knowing that this farm would be hers after his death. Margaret Jelly (John’s daughter) is now 42 years of age and living at the same location with her husband and seven children. Benjamin Kneale, the nephew (child of Isabella Kelly) is 17 years of age and recorded as a blacksmith. Visiting the farm and staying there at the time of the census is John Kneale – recorded as a visitor, unmarried, and 35 years of age. He is probably the brother of Benjamin. In 1864 Benjamin, at 21 years of age, emigrated to Michigan U.S.A. – possibly working as a blacksmith. I traced him later in life in the American census of 1900 when he was living in Sonoma, California. He lived there until his death in 1920. He had married and the family had one child, a daughter named Mona. (I managed to contact one of the present day descendents of Benjamin – see notes section for details). The Jelly family also left the island in 1864 or 1865. I found Margaret Jelly (daughter of John) now 62 years old and husband Thomas in the 1880 U.S. census, living at Wilkes Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania. Two of their children, Margaret Jelly born 1858 and Robert Jelly born 1864 were also living with them. Thomas the father was as a miner. This area was a popular destination in the late nineteenth century when hundreds of thousands of immigrants flocked to the region to work the anthracite coal. Also living at their house was Margaret’s mother in law, Manerva Jelly born 1800, Isle of Man. At the same time Margaret’s three sons Thomas, John and William are together but working many miles away on the railway on a gravel train in Croydon, Morgan, Utah. Thomas Jelly junior died of pneumonia at Newport News, a small town in Vancouver Canada in 1889 at just 36 years of age. I never knew when or where Margaret Quine (the wife of John of 1793) died. This must have been sometime after 1861. The 1863 Thwaites guide (A trade directory of that time) lists Thomas Jelly, as a farmer at Ballacowin farm, Lonan, there was no mention of his mother in law Margaret Quine. It is seems unlikely that she would have emigrated with her daughter’s family to America as she would now have been in her late sixties, too old to travel, as many died on sea journeys at that time due to the poor conditions. I think that Margaret Quine, is buried at St Lukes, Baldwin. The burial register has a Margaret Quine residence Laxey, Lonan, age 73 years, buried 16 May 1870. This is the same place her husband was buried and the Laxey area of Lonan is where she last lived and her age in years is within 12 months of 1796. Daughter Margaret Jelly appeared to be living in a poor area of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, based on records of their neighbour’s occupations in the American census. Had she inherited funds from the sale of her parents farm it is probably likely that she would have bought another farm in America. Perhaps this indicates that the last farm her father John had owned was heavily mortgaged, but that takes us back to the unanswered question why would John move to a 60 acre farm in his 60’s.
Thanks to all the people who provided information. Research information Place Names Research: Known movement of family 1817 Braddan, (before 1851 Tailor Farm, Onchan), 1824 East Baldwin (the Battery near St Luke’s Church), 1831 Thie Philip, 1851 Ballachrink, 1861 Ballacowin (Lonan) Source information: Source FamilySearch.org #91 Margt Kelly married John Quine November 15, 1817 Braddan, Isle of Man. (If she was born in 1794 this would make her 23 years old when married.) Family History Center Batch # MO39021 covers years 1733 to 1817 call # 0106709 & 0106710 (film #) Source information: Ancestry.com(Mormons)- Parents Margaret / Isabella Kelly A) Margaret Kelly Christening: 24 JUL 1796 Braddan WM KELLY JANE CREER B) ISABELLA KELLY born probably close to or after 1800 Found 12 APR 1801 Braddan Parents WM KELLY JANE CREER WM KELLY and JANE CREER must have been born before 1780 Source information: Source FamilySearch.org #91 Margt Kelly married John Quine November 15, 1817 Braddan, Isle of Man. Family History Center Batch # MO39021 covers years 1733 to 1817 call # 0106709 & 0106710 (film #) Source information: IGI (International Genealogical Index) John Quine christening 12, Sept. 1824 Braddan, Isle of Man Batch # CO39021 Call # or film 0106708 Source information:1818- IGI rcorris RootsWeb Location: – Australia MARGT QUINE Christened 01 NOV 1818 Braddan, Isle Of Man, England Father: John Quine Mother: Margt Kelly Also found in Mormon records Source information: 1817 www.familysearch.org, Marriage of John Quine and Margaret Kelly of 15 Nov 1817 at Braddan Source information: IGI: rcorris RootsWeb Location: Canberra – Australia Source: JOHN QUINE Christened 12 SEP 1824 Braddan, Isle Of Man Father: John Quine Mother: Margt Kelly Source information: Nigel G Crowe The two parcels were very small crofts consisting of two fields each. The Battery is located at the north end of Ballawillyn, East Baldwin, and the Thie Philip is at the north end of Ballachrink. They are both alongside the public road through the valley. Each had a small thatched cottage upon it, which has long since fallen down. The Arderry Quines, lived next door to the Battery, but no link to this family has been found. Source information: 1846 From Slater's Directory Quine John, Ballachrink, Baldwin (listed as a farmer) Source information: 1849 Thomas Jelly & Margaret Quine were married on 20 JAN 1849 Braddan, Isle of Man Source information: Source 1851 Census Braddan 06,32,028,QUINE,John,Ballacrink,Head,Married,58,Formerly Tailor Farm 11 Acres, Onchan ,Braddan 06,32,028,QUINE,Margt,Ballacrink,Wife,,54,,Braddan,Braddan 06,32/33,028,JELLY,Margt,Ballacrink,Daughter,Married,32,,Onchan,Quine, Braddan 06,32/33,028,JELLY,Thos,Ballacrink,Son?in?Law,Married,22,Farm Lab,Douglas,Braddan 06,32/33,028,JELLY,Marg,Ballacrink,Granddau,,1,,Braddan,Braddan 06,32/33,028,JELLY,Lydia,Ballacrink,Granddau,,2mo,,Braddan,Braddan 06,32,028,KNEALE,Benj,Ballacrink,Nephew,,7,,Onchan,Quine,Braddan 06,32,028,CAIN,Margt,Ballachrink,Servant,Unmarried,21,House Servant,Braddan,Quine,Braddan Source information: Gravestone 1851 – Two of John Quine’s grandchildren Baldwin St Luke's MI #7 Be prepared to meet they God Erected to the memory of Margt Jelly who departed this life on the 22nd day of May 1851 aged 2 years also Lydia Jelly who departed this life June 1at 1851 aged 4 months Source information: http://www.manxroots.com/bsq.htm 'The Quines' in this case referred to John senior of Ballachrink and his third son Benjamin Samuel. (I checked this and it is the Arderry Quines and not our family) however it mentions a part of our land in this extract from the published article … ‘Thie Phillip [as it later became] being disposed of to the wealthy merchant John Murrey of Douglas in 1715’ Source information: John Henry Jelley was christened 23 OCT 1853 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin Father Thomas Jelly Mother Margaret Quine Source information: Source H107/2525 Pg 8 Children of Jelly MARGARET JELLY Christening: 27 MAY 1849 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin LYDIA JELLY Christening: 09 FEB 1851 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin THOMAS QUINE JELLEY Christening: 13 JUN 1852 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin JOHN HENRY JELLEY Christening: 23 OCT 1853 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin WILLIAM CAESAR JELLEY Christening: 03 JUN 1855 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin MARGARET ANN JELLY Christening: 24 MAY 1857 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin BENJAMIN KELLY JELLY Christening: 22 JUL 1860 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin Notes: Jelly family The earliest Jelly discovered is Robert Jelly a riding officer in customs in 1791. - There is also an Onchan burial for a Robert Jelly in 1780 (also a baptism in 1779). Being a customs officer the family may not originate from IOM. There were Jelly’s in East Baldwin in mid-19th century, with Quine connections. More info at St. Luke's burials. Note: Note: Marown, spelled variously Marown, Maronne, and Maroon Notes: 1856 –Gravestone St Luke's Baldwin MI #5 Sacred to the memory of John Quine of Battery Hill in this parish who departed this life on the 14th March 1856 aged 65 years His end was peace. *Note: Possible transcription error – believed to be 62 years. Source information: 1861 census (Source: Ruth on Roots Web) Lonan, Colby, Ballacowin RG9/4423, District 2c, Folio 45, Page 4, Schedule 15 Margaret Quine, Head, Widow, 65, Farmer of 60 acres, Braddan Thomas Jelly, Son in Law, Married, 32, Farmer, Douglas Margaret Jelly, Wife [should be 'daughter'?], Married, 42, Farmer's wife, Braddan Thomas Quine Jelly, Grandson, 8, Scholar, Braddan John Henry Jelly, Grandson, 7, Scholar, Braddan William George Jelly, Grandson, 5, Scholar, Braddan Margaret Ann Jelly, Granddaughter, 3, Braddan Eliza Jelly, Granddaughter, 2, Braddan Benjamin Jelly, Grandson, 8 months, Braddan William Kissack, Servant, Unmarried, 18, Ploughman, Braddan Benjamin Kneale, Nephew, Unmarried, 17, Blacksmith, Onchan John Kneale, Visitor, Unmarried, 35, Braddan (Could be a brother of Benjamin) Source information: Grave of Margaret Kelly born 1796 Margaret Quine – Grave not proven however the most likely is the last entry at St Lukes, Baldwin Lonan burials QUINE, Margaret age 55 Lon 1 May 1862 (1807 born) QUINE, Margaret age 60 Lon 2 May 1865 (1805 born) No record of Margaret Quine on Mormon LDS records of deaths between 1851 and 1891 or in Braddan Old. St Lukes burial lookup request (Source D Douglass) * There is no St Luke's MI (gravestone) for a Margaret *Quine als Kelly *The St Lukes burial register has a Margaret *Quine residence Laxey, Lonan age 73 yrs buried 16 May 1870 Source information: Isle of Man Family History Society Journal Volume viii no 3 July 1986 Mrs. Helen Carey, P.O. Box 944, Grass Valley, CA 95945 U.S.A. Mrs. Helen Carey, P.O. Box 944, Grass Valley, CA 95945 U.S.A. JOSEPH KNEALE married ISABEL KELLY at Kirk Braddan on the 12th Nov. 1825 and they had 13 children. The last four were baptised at St. Luke’s Church, Baldwin. Joseph b.1836, Elizabeth b. 1838, Margaret b.1841, and Benjamin b.1843. Isabel died just two weeks after the birth of Benjamin and was buried at St. Luke’s. In 1851 Benjamin is living with his Uncle and Aunt in Ballacrink, Braddan, later in 1864 he emigrated to Michigan U.S.A. Source information: Information on Churches used by family 1851 Religious Census St Matthew's is Church of England Kk Braddan is Church of England St Luke’s is Church of England Source information: Source Mormons JOSEPH KNEALE Spouse: ISABELLA KELLY Family Marriage: 12 NOV 1825 Braddan, Isle Of Man, England Children John Kelly born 11 Sept 1825 Braddan Ellanor born 30 March 1828 Thomas born 19 Dec 1830 James born 28 Sept 1834 Joseph born 6 Nov 1836 Baldwin Elizabeth born 4 Nov 1838 Baldwin Margaret born 14 Nov 1841 Benjamin born 25 Nov 1843 Saint Luke’s, Baldwin Source information: World connect- Guerra-Tharp Family Tree Benjamin Kneale died 28 April 1920 married Harrison Children Mona KNEALE b: 5 OCT 1893 in CA (Married John Henry Irton -Mona Urton Died 1962 Place: Sonoma Co, CA) Children next generation James Kneale Urton (married Etta Green) John Benjamin Urton (married Marie Browser) Luther Douglas Urton (married Francis Suzie Pederson) Wyatt Chester Urton (married Laverne Wohler) Information: From a Benjamin Kneale descendent PS Guerra I never knew Benjamin Kneale, but I remember his daughter, Mona, very well. Mona married John Henry Urton and now they are buried in what is referred to as the Old Pioneer Cemetery in Santa Rosa, CA, where I live. John and Mona had 4 sons---James, John, Luther, and Wyatt. Luther is a widower now and is very frail. Wyatt is still in good health and his wife, Laverne, has worked on the family genealogy for years, but does not have a computer. Her daughter has taken over for her. The other 2 sons have died. The name Kneale has been carried through the Urton family. You asked what happened to Benjamin. As you said, he was a blacksmith, and one of the original settlers in Sonoma Co, CA. (The town of Sonoma is not far from Santa Rosa). Most of his descendants settled in Sebastopol, Sonoma Co, CA, and they are still there. Sue Source information: Carolyn Braddi  (A descendent of Benjamin Kneale- his great grand daughter) Here is a bit about the smallpox that Sharon wrote about. She said.... Margaret Kelly who married John Quine on 11-15-1817 was the sister of our ancestor Isabella Kelly who married Joseph Kneale. When Isabella died in 1843 shortly after the birth of Benjamin Kneale, the infant was given to Margaret and John to raise. She had lost all three of her children to smallpox and was determined to keep Benjamin alive when he too developed the illness. She kept cold water close at hand to keep him cool and to keep the fever down, gave him lots of water and thus saved his life. When he left as a teenager to go to America, it was she who insisted he take limes on the ship to keep from getting scurvy. Unfortunately, we are not related to the Quine's except in gratitude for all they did for this unfortunate family. ( The children who died from smallpox are believed to have been Margaret daughters children - Margaret Jelly) Source information: Sharon Bramkamp Hohmann (A descendent of Benjamin Kneale –his great grandaughter)) When his mother died, Benjamin was taken by John and Margaret Kelly Quine to raise. Margaret was Isabella's sister. Family stories state that Margaret lost all three of her children to a small pox epidemic. When Benjamin contracted the disease, she was determined to keep him alive. She refused to follow the directions of the time from the local doctor who had told her to withhold beverages and food, and to bleed the sufferer. She kept cool water nearby to wipe Benjamin's feverish brow, gave him all the water he could drink, and he survived, with a single pock mark on his nose. When he decided to immigrate to America in 1862, she sent him on his way with a large sack of limes and told him to remain above deck and walk on the deck in the fresh air. (The children who died from smallpox are believed to have been Margaret daughters children - Margaret Jelly) Source information: US Census 1880 Wilkes Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, Thomas Jelly / Margaret Jelly parents Margaret Jelly born 1858 Robert Jelly born 1864 Also living at the house is Manerva Jelly born 1800 – she is shown as the mother of Thomas Source information: US Newspaper 1889 The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 17 Feb 1899, Page 5. The remains of the late Thomas Jelly, Jr., who died of pneumonia at Newport News, Va., on Feb. 11, and which were expressed to this city the following day, arrived yesterday morning over the Pennsylvania Railroad, having been delayed five days on account of the storm. They were taken to the undertaking rooms of E.P. Phillips and later to the residence of his father, Thomas Jelly, Sr., 190 Hazle street, from where the funeral will take place to-day at 2 p.m. Rev. Mr. Bollman will officiate. Interment in Hollenback Cemetery. Source information: Information on Wilkes-Barre During the early 1700's various Indian tribes, such as the Shawanese, Delaware and Nanticoke, settled in the fertile valley of Wilkes-Barre. In 1768, a group of Yankees, led by Major John Durke, built Fort Durkee near Ross Street. They named the area after John Wilkes and Iasaac Barre. Several battles took place in the following years, but the Yankees were finally recognized as the owners of the land. By the turn of the century, the area had a newspaper, a post office, and court house. ‘Black Gold’ was found in the late 1800's and early 1900's, when hundreds of thousands of immigrants flocked to the region to work the anthracite coal.